For the whole decade that she had been working on her new film, Kallis had always been open, always in one place, always in a space, always able to get out of anything in this world that she chose, and she was very much in that moment. One evening she found herself standing next to a woman, that was a young, bright, attractive young woman, in a bright suit, she was standing on top of something, she thought that was an overcoat. 'Look I should look at you. What do you want, Kallis?' she asked, and turned to her and said:. Karen Kallis: 'Look I should fuck you. I want to watch you as long as you can'. This was the story of the woman who did a job. And she did it to be herself. She took to it with a fierce determination and a passion that made her such a master of the job that she became its founder. She had won. But there was another part of her that she felt was out of place. She'd been called to the film theatre in Rome for her role in the film. Now she got permission: a little more than a year later (May 2004) she'd left. She'd also been given special treatment by her husband.